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Lack of Empathy

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  • April 17, 2014 at 9:27 am #391
    Therese Taillon
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    The commitment of the men from Voices from the Grave is astounding to me. It has been a struggle for me to understand the mindset of such people. Although similar to the ideas we talked about in class about Yeats’ “Easter 1916”, there is a peace of mind and ease in possessing one goal, so much in fact that it must be hard to grasp the realities of the repercussions, or even if they do embrace the consequences with reckless abandon, then the difficulty in justifying it to outsiders. This hit me the hardest when Hughes states that they didn’t mean for any lives to be lost on Bloody Friday, although with 21 bombs it is difficult for an outsider to grasp that logic. This idea of outsider/insider is extremely prevalent throughout Heaney’s poetry.

     

    This interview was interesting to me as John Kelly; a former member of the IRA seems to me to carry the same nonchalant attitude about the loss of life, with the simple excuse of ‘we didn’t mean to kill people.’ I also thought his mention of Gerry Adams was interesting as he first admits that he was a member of the IRA and then tries to retract the statement, or at least remain ambiguous about it.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/inside/kelly2.html

    April 23, 2014 at 2:43 pm #398
    Devon Poniatowski
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    Therese, I think you raise a valid point. Honestly, how can one plant bombs and then make a statement that there was no intent to kill? I am reminded of a certain mentality that men of the American revolution had when it came to the consideration of violence, and its perceived “necessity” in the realm of generating change within a firmly rooted ideological structure. Consider this quote from Thomas Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” This quote is from a letter that Jefferson wrote to W. Smith in 1787. The mentality it presupposes is relevant when discussing the uprisings in Ireland. Along these lines, I resonated with another sentiment in the video, which implied there can be no peace without war or violence—in other words, the light does not exist if there is no dark. I’m not entirely sure where I fall on the spectrum of these ideas—I would not want to project a view that insinuates I am a supporter of wars. I will note, however, that the video footage we’ve been exposed to has put my opinion of revolution and revolt in a new frame. I understand better that there are moments when forceful retaliation is needed in the face of injustice.

    I say the above fully aware of the contradicting ideas that spring from it. For example, there is much to be gained by meditating on the political tactics of Ghandi and the “eye for an eye” argument… even still, I do see that uprising is sometimes the action that must be taken–the action that will elicit the most change in the quickest amount of time. These thoughts are challenging my interpretation of poetry’s role in political discourse: what is it in poetry (and even in other dimensions of art) that incur change and inspire/fuel revolutionary movements? Heaney himself seems to ruminate on this question, for example in part six of “Singing School”: “How did I end up like this? […]/ As I sit weighing and weighing/ my responsible tristia./ For what? For the ear? For the people?” In this section of the poem, it seems to me that Heaney is questioning poetry’s place within the violence of revolution. If the writing is for the people, how is it justifiable when people are causing chaos and killing one another? If he is writing for the ear, how is that any good in the face of greater forces that are causing destruction? Is there room for art in midst of the raging tides of uprising and war? I would personally say yes: Heaney’s poetry—at least in the context of our class—provides a lens through which the reader can learn to humanize the conflicts in Ireland at the time of the Terrors. Heaney’s act of writing poetry is an admission, and arguably a counter to the quote from Jefferson, that there are non-violent responses to war that can elicit change and challenge the roots of ideological systems. Heaney bring this idea to light in his reference to Goya: Art has an important place in the discourse of political change, and ignoring that fact only fosters greater violence to an already chaotic circumstance.

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